20 pound jobs

[TheSovereign]

i'm on income support and, after the first twenty pounds, for every pound you earn comes a pound off your giro. so what jobs can i do that earn at most 20-25pounds a pop

[Crystal Tipps]

Work four hours a week in a shop. At NMW that's about £22. A lot of places give four hours a week contracts for Saturday workers.

[Tweety]

Why can't you just get a job?

[LuckyStrike]

scumbag.

get a fucking job instead of trying to cheat the system.

[littlemissy]

Why can't you just get a job?
That's what I thought. Get off your income support, get a proper job and then you will probably be better off anyway.

[lucifer devil]

scumbag.

get a fucking job instead of trying to cheat the system.


amen.

[*Snow White Queen*]

scumbag.

get a fucking job instead of trying to cheat the system.
:yes:

People like you piss me off.

Pull your finger out of your arse and stop being so lazy.

[VinylVicky]

hey when i was claiming, i was looking for a job like this as i didnt want to take the first shitty job that came along! i wanted something where i would get job satisfaction and good enough pay. stop bitching!

[Blagsta]

You sure its £20? It used to be £5*. I'd also talk to your Disability Employment Advisor at your jobcentre whether you can work part time and still claim IS. They might want to put you on JSA if you're fit to work.

*it was £5 on JSA anyway

[Blagsta]

scumbag.

get a fucking job instead of trying to cheat the system.

This is out of order. You have no idea why he is on IS. IS is not JSA. IS is what people get when they're unfit to work but can't claim incapacity benefit.

[Kermit]

This is out of order. You have no idea why he is on IS. IS is not JSA. IS is what people get when they're unfit to work but can't claim incapacity benefit.
It's not out of order though.

If he's fit enough to contemplate four hours work then he's fit enough to be working.

IS is for those who are too unfit to work, not those who are too lazy to.

[Blagsta]

It's not out of order though.

If he's fit enough to contemplate four hours work then he's fit enough to be working.

IS is for those who are too unfit to work, not those who are too lazy to.

Oh fuck off Kermit, you haven't got a clue. There are plenty of conditions where someone could only work a few hours. Want a list?

[Kermit]

I'm sure there are.

I wouldn't expect him to work full time if he has one of those, but that's not what I said.

[Blagsta]

No, you said "If he's fit enough to contemplate four hours work then he's fit enough to be working.". You have no idea what his situation is. You also have to take into account the financial aspect - you only end up £5/week better off working part time on benefits and quite often end up worse off.

[Babyshambler]

No, you said "If he's fit enough to contemplate four hours work then he's fit enough to be working.". You have no idea what his situation is. You also have to take into account the financial aspect - you only end up £5/week better off working part time on benefits and quite often end up worse off.

Yeah, but he's not asking for a job that will suit him in whatever difficulties he has in working - he's asking for a job which won't stop his benefit.

I agree with the majorites here, koe and co.

[Kermit]

No, you said "If he's fit enough to contemplate four hours work then he's fit enough to be working.". You have no idea what his situation is. You also have to take into account the financial aspect - you only end up £5/week better off working part time on benefits and quite often end up worse off.
Perhaps if he was more concerned about getting back to work than he was about not losing his benefit from working then I'd have some sympathy.

As he isn't, well, I don't.

I know you don't think Government money belongs to the taxpayers, but it does.

[Blagsta]

I think that people should stop being so judgemental about people they know fuck all about.

[Blagsta]

Yeah, but he's not asking for a job that will suit him in whatever difficulties he has in working - he's asking for a job which won't stop his benefit.

I agree with the majorites here, koe and co.

So? Why should he be worse off? I'm guessing you don't know anything about how the benefits system works - its a shitty mess to be frank and completely stacked against anyone who wants to go back to work.

[CheeseOnToast]

Shockingly I am with blagsta the attitudes in this thread are DISGUSTING.

My sister is a single mum and she cannot afford to get a full time job as on benefits they pay her rent and give her like £30 a week or whatever the fuck it is.

She couldn't earn enough in any job she could get to pay what she has now AND for childcare at the same time!

It's not cheating the fucking system anyway, that is the rules of the system, the system is saying if you want to try and make yourself an extra £20 because you have fuck all else then go for it.

Fucking idiots.

[Sofie]

Try something like a paper round.

[katralla]

You might also get extra disregards for things like travel or books if you are studying- make sure you check you're getting everything you're entitled to. And don't just take your advisor's word for it- they don't always know about stuff/sometimes get it wrong/some of them are cunts and tell you the wrong info on purpose! You might be able to get a loan from the social fund, which you repay at a low rate. They also have grants available for stuff that they don't really like to advertise- the amount you get probably depends on how long you've been on IS...

Cleaning jobs, I think dinner supervisor jobs (schools etc) come in quite low, maybe retail? mcdonalds?

To all the moaners:
Quit paying your tax if you don't like where it goes! It is incredible the way everyone on here teams up with their moralistic bullshit the moment there's a whiff of a benefit claimant! The immediate reaction from you lot is- 'how dare they?' and 'what a cheek' or worse 'scum bag/cheat', an attitude which I find revolting! Who wants to be in a situation where they either HAVE to be on benefits to survive or are better off 'surviving' on their benefits?

How much do/have you cost the tax payer? Do you know how much your higher education cost(s) the tax payer? Have you ever even thought about it? What makes you think that benefit recipients are any lazier than non to tell them to 'pull their finger out' etc? eh?

Grow up!

[katralla]

Shockingly I am with blagsta the attitudes in this thread are DISGUSTING.

My sister is a single mum and she cannot afford to get a full time job as on benefits they pay her rent and give her like £30 a week or whatever the fuck it is.

She couldn't earn enough in any job she could get to pay what she has now AND for childcare at the same time!

It's not cheating the fucking system anyway, that is the rules of the system, the system is saying if you want to try and make yourself an extra £20 because you have fuck all else then go for it.

Fucking idiots.

agreed. Also, makes no difference if your sister could be better off working- she has every right to not 'work' while she's looking after her kids...

[Sofie]

You might also get extra disregards for things like travel or books if you are studying- make sure you check you're getting everything you're entitled to. And don't just take your advisor's word for it- they don't always know about stuff/sometimes get it wrong/some of them are cunts and tell you the wrong info on purpose! You might be able to get a loan from the social fund, which you repay at a low rate. They also have grants available for stuff that they don't really like to advertise- the amount you get probably depends on how long you've been on IS...

Cleaning jobs, I think dinner supervisor jobs (schools etc) come in quite low, maybe retail? mcdonalds?

To all the moaners:
Quit paying your tax if you don't like where it goes! It is incredible the way everyone on here teams up with their moralistic bullshit the moment there's a whiff of a benefit claimant! The immediate reaction from you lot is- 'how dare they?' and 'what a cheek' or worse 'scum bag/cheat', an attitude which I find revolting! Who wants to be in a situation where they either HAVE to be on benefits to survive or are better off 'surviving' on their benefits?

How much do/have you cost the tax payer? Do you know how much your higher education cost(s) the tax payer? Have you ever even thought about it? What makes you think that benefit recipients are any lazier than non to tell them to 'pull their finger out' etc? eh?

Grow up!

There are some who genuienly can't work and there are some who just can't be bothered... Ans you can hardly 'quit' paying tax, can you?

[HIT]

My local job centre is full of immigrants, piss heads & drug addicts, that give me the impression they dont want to work. One even told me I should tell the JC that I am depressed so I never have to work again.

There are some genuine needed causes but they can sometimes get mixed up in the stereotype of people who dont wont to work. I would be bored not working.

[Mist]

Who wants to be in a situation where they either HAVE to be on benefits to survive or are better off 'surviving' on their benefits?


Plenty of people choose to live of benefits, because it means for most of the time they can sit about on their fat arses, watch sky and do fuck all. if they need a bit more cash, they'll do an odd-job for cash-in-hand. Don't be so unbelievably niave as to think that it doesn't happen.

[Nikki*]

Cleaning jobs, I think dinner supervisor jobs (schools etc) come in quite low, maybe retail? mcdonalds?
!

These jobs are generally above the minimum wage and would probably add up prety quickly (judging from my own and friends experiences). I als doubt he'd only be able to do a few hours a week in a cleaning job - not sure about McDonalds - I'm on a basic 18 year olds wage and basic cleaning hours and I still get £40 + a week.

[Jim V]

In my experience cleaning jobs are going to be about 10 hours mininum a week, even an early cleaning shift in a large store is going to take a couple of hours each day, so is likely to be over the limit.

Working in a shop part time is bound to be the best option since you're far more likely to come across shifts that fit the limits (Saturday, weekend shifts)

And as to him cheating the benefits system - he's doing exactly the fucking opposite. Looking for a job that legally sits within the framework of Income Support (which isn't, as mentioned, automatically connected to JSA) is the right thing to do, where as most people would probably be looking for cash in hand work, which wouldn't be.

Good luck finding something that fits your situation, sorry many people here seem to prefer to judge you rather than ask what it actually is first.

[Babyshambler]

I know all about the benefits system Blagsta, my Dad paid fucking taxes for 40 years and then when he fell ill from working so hard, they paid him fucking £54 quid a week to live on. I'm more than passionate about the shit pay people on benefits get. But in my line of work, 80% of the people I deal with on benefits are more than fucking able to work - my Dad isn't.

[Jim V]

But I don't think that's any reason to assume TheSoverign is able to do full time work either, especially without asking find out.

[ShyBoy]

Try something like a paper round.

These are often cash in hand as well, so you might not have to declare it.

(is it naughty to say that? :p)

[Sofie]

These are often cash in hand as well, so you might not have to declare it.

(is it naughty to say that? :p)

Probably is naughty to say that, tbh.

[Babyshambler]

But I don't think that's any reason to assume TheSoverign is able to do full time work either, especially without asking find out.

Edited - In fact yeah, OK, so I assumed. And I'm going get some major flak for what I'm about to say... but I speak to people all day every day who live on IS and a lot of them are people who have left their countries to come and live in the UK. And it pisses me off that they get the same benefits as my Dad who, at 59 years old, has worked since he was 15 and paid all of his taxes in this country.

So I'll assume all I like about what The Sovereign said, to me what he wrote appeared to be more about working to earn money and keep his benefits, not about finding a job that he is able to do with the difficutlies he has by being on IS anyway.

Anyway, I could say tonnes more about benefits that isn't related to this thread cause it winds me up no end. But I'll leave it here.

[Sofie]

But I don't think that's any reason to assume TheSoverign is able to do full time work either, especially without asking find out.

but if he was to do that, wouldn't he get more than £20 a week?

[TheSovereign]

ok i claim severe disability allowence but it's for mental illness. i get 113pounds a week on income support which has to pay rent. sooner things will be even harder when i get out of my supported lodgings and have to buy my own food.

I also get disability living allowence at 58 pound a week.

But i'd say that anyone claiming any mental illness related benefit is wimpy people who gain nothing in life.

to answer the question no i'm not cheating the system, i'm within the rules, and looking to increase where possible any money i have available.

[HIT]

ok i claim severe disability allowence but it's for mental illness. i get 113pounds a week on income support which has to pay rent. sooner things will be even harder when i get out of my supported lodgings and have to buy my own food.

I also get disability living allowence at 58 pound a week.

But i'd say that anyone claiming any mental illness related benefit is wimpy people who gain nothing in life.

to answer the question no i'm not cheating the system, i'm within the rules, and looking to increase where possible any money i have available.
And why shouldnt you, £113 is not enougth.

[Skive]

to answer the question no i'm not cheating the system, i'm within the rules, and looking to increase where possible any money i have available.

And there is nothing wrong with that mate. :thumb:

[z-]

some of the replys in this thread are discusting :no:

you lot can be judgemental cunts at times

[Blagsta]

My local job centre is full of immigrants, piss heads & drug addicts, that give me the impression they dont want to work. One even told me I should tell the JC that I am depressed so I never have to work again.

There are some genuine needed causes but they can sometimes get mixed up in the stereotype of people who dont wont to work. I would be bored not working.

Do you think people with alcohol or drug problems are capable of working? As for the casual racism...pffft. :rolleyes:

[Blagsta]

I know all about the benefits system Blagsta, my Dad paid fucking taxes for 40 years and then when he fell ill from working so hard, they paid him fucking £54 quid a week to live on. I'm more than passionate about the shit pay people on benefits get. But in my line of work, 80% of the people I deal with on benefits are more than fucking able to work - my Dad isn't.

What is your line of work?

[HIT]

Do you think people with alcohol or drug problems are capable of working? As for the casual racism...pffft. :rolleyes:
There's alcoholics & then there are lay abouts that dont want to work but just sit around all day & drink & do drugs for the sake of it.

It may seem racist & I couldn't care. If you come over to this country make sure you can provide for yourselves. I wish this country was more like Australia.

[Kermit]

I speak to people all day every day who live on IS and a lot of them are people who have left their countries to come and live in the UK. And it pisses me off that they get the same benefits as my Dad who, at 59 years old, has worked since he was 15 and paid all of his taxes in this country.

Big deal.

You work your a debt collection agency so your employers- none of whom give a fuck about credit laws- would say that.

[sophia]

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[Babyshambler]

Big deal.

You work your a debt collection agency so your employers- none of whom give a fuck about credit laws- would say that.

My employers don't say anything like that. I deal with correspondence everyday from people who owe money who have to prove how much they earn - THAT is how I know.

[Kermit]

My employers don't say anything like that. I deal with correspondence everyday from people who owe money who have to prove how much they earn - THAT is how I know.

Still a debt collection agency, and they are all liars and thieves.

*shrug*

[Babyshambler]

Still a debt collection agency, and they are all liars and thieves.

*shrug*

Fair enough, that's your opinion... and the same one I would probably have if I didn't work for one myself. :thumb:

[Kermit]

The boss works for a debt counselling service, and she tells me about all the lies and half-truths debt collection agencies come out with in order to screw people over.

He says working as a conveyancer for a big law firm...

[Babyshambler]

The boss works for a debt counselling service, and she tells me about all the lies and half-truths debt collection agencies come out with in order to screw people over.

He says working as a conveyancer for a big law firm...

I've worked for both a debt management/counselling company, and a debt recovery company. I have a worse opinion of debt management companies.

BUT - I think the problem with debt collection agencies is the staff. Some collectors bully people into paying and clearly it's those people giving debt collections agencies a bad name.

Personally, I am a kind and understanding collector unless someone swears at me. ;)

[Click to see more]

Some of the comments in this thread sadden me. It is wrong to jump to conclusions about someone based solely on a single thread or post - and some of the people who made the comments have shocked me.

I'm going to leave it at that.

[Mist]

Some of the comments in this thread sadden me. It is wrong to jump to conclusions about someone based solely on a single thread or post - and some of the people who made the comments have shocked me.

I'm going to leave it at that.

Oh come on. You know what really gets me is posts like this, that always appear to claim the moral high ground, as if thee has never said a word out of place before.

This isn't fluffy bunny nicey nicey marshmallow world where everyone is friends with Joey the jolly jester, it's the real world, where people say what they think.

Some of it may be harsh, annoying, out of place, clever, witty or serious, but it's all what people think, and I'm surprised when folk expect stuff here to be censored.

[LuckyStrike]

unfortunately i have got to the point where i always look badly upon benefit claimers until i know otherwise. I personally think that with the amount of people on IS in this country is a joke! people get it for all sorts these days.

Having heard the original posters reason for being on it i apologise for being a tad harsh, but i'd say it again not knowing the circumstances im afraid.

theres too many people out there who just dont want to work, anyone who's willing to work could have a job, it might not be the most fulfilling work but there are jobs out there.

as for the comments on single mothers meh...still should work some of the time, my sister and my bros gf both worked through the majority of their pregnancies and went back to work part time after a break after, putting the child in a nursery dont see why more people cant do this....

if you cant afford to raise a child, you shouldnt have got in that situation in the first place if you ask me!

PLEASE NOTE THIS IS JUST MY OPINION

[Babyshambler]

as for the comments on single mothers meh...still should work some of the time, my sister and my bros gf both worked through the majority of their pregnancies and went back to work part time after a break after, putting the child in a nursery dont see why more people cant do this....

It costs ridiculous amounts of money to put kids in nurseries. I doubt I could afford it on a good full-time wage.

if you cant afford to raise a child, you shouldnt have got in that situation in the first place if you ask me!

True.

[HIT]

I've worked for both a debt management/counselling company, and a debt recovery company. I have a worse opinion of debt management companies.

BUT - I think the problem with debt collection agencies is the staff. Some collectors bully people into paying and clearly it's those people giving debt collections agencies a bad name.

Personally, I am a kind and understanding collector unless someone swears at me. ;)
Whats the age requirement for debt collecting? I heard once it was 25+.

[Sofie]

But i'd say that anyone claiming any mental illness related benefit is wimpy people who gain nothing in life.

Not always - there are some people who have genuine mental problems and can't work. (and yes, I live with someone like that)

[Blagsta]

There's alcoholics & then there are lay abouts that dont want to work but just sit around all day & drink & do drugs for the sake of it.

Someone who only wants to sit around all day and drink and do drugs is someone with a drink or drug problem you numpty.

It may seem racist & I couldn't care. If you come over to this country make sure you can provide for yourselves. I wish this country was more like Australia.

What, even more racist? Nice.

[Blagsta]

My employers don't say anything like that. I deal with correspondence everyday from people who owe money who have to prove how much they earn - THAT is how I know.

So you work for a debt collection agency, yet know "all about the benefits system"?

*sceptical face*

[Blagsta]

Oh come on. You know what really gets me is posts like this, that always appear to claim the moral high ground, as if thee has never said a word out of place before.

This isn't fluffy bunny nicey nicey marshmallow world where everyone is friends with Joey the jolly jester, it's the real world, where people say what they think.

Some of it may be harsh, annoying, out of place, clever, witty or serious, but it's all what people think, and I'm surprised when folk expect stuff here to be censored.

I wouldn't want people to be censored. It's always good to see who are the small minded judgemental arseholes.

[HIT]

Someone who only wants to sit around all day and drink and do drugs is someone with a drink or drug problem you numpty.



What, even more racist? Nice.
Or they are lay abouts that dont want to work. So everyone who doesn't want to work & sit around all day drinking shouldn't have to?

And please define racism for me. I cant see how me saying how immigrants claiming on the benefit system is racist. They are immigrants, they dont speak a word of English.

[Blagsta]

unfortunately i have got to the point where i always look badly upon benefit claimers until i know otherwise. I personally think that with the amount of people on IS in this country is a joke! people get it for all sorts these days.

Like what? Examples? And how do you know?

Having heard the original posters reason for being on it i apologise for being a tad harsh, but i'd say it again not knowing the circumstances im afraid.

So despite having come off looking silly and having to apologies, you'd still want to look silly again in the future?

theres too many people out there who just dont want to work, anyone who's willing to work could have a job, it might not be the most fulfilling work but there are jobs out there.

How do you know? Personally I would say that if someone isn't working, there are more often than not issues there. Whether physical health, mental heath, emotional problems, educational problems, drink or drug problems or plain old alienation. I have formed this opnion after working as an education & employment worker for 3 years.

as for the comments on single mothers meh...still should work some of the time, my sister and my bros gf both worked through the majority of their pregnancies and went back to work part time after a break after, putting the child in a nursery dont see why more people cant do this....

Its not good for the child to be in a nursery so early for a start. Why should people have to potentially damage their children because of economic circumstance? It's not right.

if you cant afford to raise a child, you shouldnt have got in that situation in the first place if you ask me!

Errr...hello? Earth calling koe_182! Do you actually know any human beings? We humans are a fairly complex bunch, we have fairly strong drives to reproduce and form pair bonds, drives that do not submit to rational analysis. Also people do not always plan on kids, sometimes these things just happen. Anyway, why should it only be the well off who get to reproduce?

PLEASE NOTE THIS IS JUST MY OPINION

I've never got why people put this at the end of posts. :confused: Of course it's your opinion, who elses is it gonna be? You should still be prepared to defend it though, otherwise what's the point in posting it?

[Blagsta]

Or they are lay abouts that dont want to work. So everyone who doesn't want to work & sit around all day drinking shouldn't have to?

I don't think you quite understand what having a drinking problem is. Someone who only wants to sit around drinking all day quite clearly has problems.

And please define racism for me. I cant see how me saying how immigrants claiming on the benefit system is racist. They are immigrants, they dont speak a word of English.

It was your assumption that immigrants don't want to work. In fact, immigrants tend to be the most hard working. They tend to be the ones who drive the cabs, own the 24 hour stores, clean the offices etc.

[HIT]

I don't think you quite understand what having a drinking problem is. Someone who only wants to sit around drinking all day quite clearly has problems.



It was your assumption that immigrants don't want to work. In fact, immigrants tend to be the most hard working. They tend to be the ones who drive the cabs, own the 24 hour stores, clean the offices etc.
Well you have a point. I was kind of stereotyping alcoholics which was pretty lame of me. But the crowd I meant & have spoken to basically say they dont want to work, they just want to sit around drinking all day, not necessarily alcoholics though.

I wasn't assuming immigrants dont work. I could have said the JC is full of OAP but that doesn't mean its targeted for the whole OAP population. Yes as with most people, immigrants have jobs (usually extremely cheap labour) but you must realise that alot of immigrants come to this country solely to ponce of the government.

[Blagsta]

Well you have a point. I was kind of stereotyping alcoholics which was pretty lame of me. But the crowd I meant & have spoken to basically say they dont want to work, they just want to sit around drinking all day, not necessarily alcoholics though.

Don't get so hung up on the term "alcoholic". If someone only wants to sit around drinking all day then they have a drink problem. People who have drink or drug problems have underlying emotional problems that they are using drink or drugs to deal with.

I wasn't assuming immigrants dont work. I could have said the JC is full of OAP but that doesn't mean its targeted for the whole OAP population. Yes as with most people, immigrants have jobs (usually extremely cheap labour) but you must realise that alot of immigrants come to this country solely to ponce of the government.

I'm just wondering how you know this? Our benefits system isn't exactly generous y'know. It's far better in other European countries.

[LuckyStrike]

Like what? Examples? And how do you know?
Its common knowledge the amount of people claiming incapacity benefits is sky rocketing. I personally think its down to the fact that people are so easily diagnosed with silly things that never used to cause people so much of a problem like OCD and Attention defecite and crap like that.

i only need to look at one my sisters ex-boyfriends mum, she started getting incapacity benefit at age 21 for depression and hasnt worked for 40 years since, even tho in that time she's got married, had children and lived a happy life off tax payers money!


So despite having come off looking silly and having to apologies, you'd still want to look silly again in the future?

yup pretty much.


How do you know? Personally I would say that if someone isn't working, there are more often than not issues there. Whether physical health, mental heath, emotional problems, educational problems, drink or drug problems or plain old alienation. I have formed this opnion after working as an education & employment worker for 3 years.

even these scummers you see in the paper wanting a 6 bed council house cos they cant keep their dicks in their pants and would consider getting divorced just so they can get 2 bigger houses?


Its not good for the child to be in a nursery so early for a start. Why should people have to potentially damage their children because of economic circumstance? It's not right.

im not saying put them in nursery straight from birth, but once they are a few months old going to nursery a few days a week isnt doing much harm, in fact i'd say it'd probably help development if they interacting with more people.


Errr...hello? Earth calling koe_182! Do you actually know any human beings? We humans are a fairly complex bunch, we have fairly strong drives to reproduce and form pair bonds, drives that do not submit to rational analysis. Also people do not always plan on kids, sometimes these things just happen. Anyway, why should it only be the well off who get to reproduce?

well maybe people should start thinking a bit more, even if they are unemployed they can still get free contraception in this country thank god. and its one of those circles of scum that you see, their parents dont work, the kids then never work and breed till there hearts contempt. pisses me right off, see it all the time round these parts.


I've never got why people put this at the end of posts. :confused: Of course it's your opinion, who elses is it gonna be? You should still be prepared to defend it though, otherwise what's the point in posting it?

Its because people like you think your view is right and other peoples are wrong. i may not have the same opinion as you but can understand why you would think such things.

[HIT]

Don't get so hung up on the term "alcoholic". If someone only wants to sit around drinking all day then they have a drink problem. People who have drink or drug problems have underlying emotional problems that they are using drink or drugs to deal with.


They basically want to have a fun life 24/7 without having to work. Thats what I was trying to say.

[Sofie]

They basically want to have a fun life 24/7 without having to work. Thats what I was trying to say.

And there are people who actually have a drink problem. Any idea who George Best is?

[Blagsta]

Its common knowledge the amount of people claiming incapacity benefits is sky rocketing. I personally think its down to the fact that people are so easily diagnosed with silly things that never used to cause people so much of a problem like OCD and Attention defecite and crap like that.

Things that are "common knowledge" are often wrong. Like it being "common knowledge" in some areas that asylum seekers get mobile phones and driving lessons for example. Yes, there are a lot of people on IS/IB. It can suit the government to have people on those rather than JSA as they then don't count on the unemployment figures. Someone on another bulletin board I frequent said that lots of people were put on IB/IS after the coal mines were closed to keep the unemployment figures down - there were no other jobs for them to go to.

OCD can be a massive problem, it can be practically disabling. Attention deficit I agree is over diagnosed, but its often a lazy diagnosis for complex emotional problems. By the way, what is your qualification for saying that these things never used to cause people problems?

i only need to look at one my sisters ex-boyfriends mum, she started getting incapacity benefit at age 21 for depression and hasnt worked for 40 years since, even tho in that time she's got married, had children and lived a happy life off tax payers money!

Being depressed does not stop people getting married and having kids y'know. I would agree that there isn't enough help for people with mental health problems, therapy is non-existent in a lot of places. This is not the fault of your sisters ex-boyfriends mum though. I would also wager that you really don't know the full story.

yup pretty much.

Fair enough. Odd though.

even these scummers you see in the paper wanting a 6 bed council house cos they cant keep their dicks in their pants and would consider getting divorced just so they can get 2 bigger houses?

So one or two people in a tabloid is a good basis for your argument is it?

im not saying put them in nursery straight from birth, but once they are a few months old going to nursery a few days a week isnt doing much harm, in fact i'd say it'd probably help development if they interacting with more people.

No, its not healthy for children's development.

well maybe people should start thinking a bit more, even if they are unemployed they can still get free contraception in this country thank god. and its one of those circles of scum that you see, their parents dont work, the kids then never work and breed till there hearts contempt. pisses me right off, see it all the time round these parts.

You appear to have a very very simple view of people. Unemployment is not really the fault of the individual, it is a massive social problem. Blaming individuals for the failings of the economy, of governments and society is a pretty shitty thing to do.


Its because people like you think your view is right and other peoples are wrong.

Of course I think my view is right. I'm not gonna hold a view I think is wrong am I?

i may not have the same opinion as you but can understand why you would think such things.

I understand why you might think the way you do too. I just happen to think you're wrong.

[HIT]

And there are people who actually have a drink problem. Any idea who George Best is?
WTF bring George Best up?

[Blagsta]

They basically want to have a fun life 24/7 without having to work. Thats what I was trying to say.

Drinking all day every day is fun? I know when I used to drink heavily and not work, I was having fun on the surface, but underneath I was self medicating against depression and alienation. People are complex, you really don't know what's going on for them unless you really talk to people - and even then you often don't know - they might not even know themselves. They might just know that they feel a bit crappy and drinking makes them feel better.

[Blagsta]

And wouldn't everyone prefer to have fun than work? I certainly don't begrudge people who hate working. Working is shit for most people. I don't mind people who might take a while to find a job they can stick at. Most jobs are souless mind numbing underpaid shit.

[Sofie]

WTF bring George Best up?

He was an alcoholic, which is what you're talking about.:rolleyes:

[HIT]

He was an alcoholic, which is what you're talking about.:rolleyes:
No I am not. Have a read about 9 posts. You really should read the thread first.

" :rolleyes: "

[Sofie]

No I am not. Have a read about 9 posts. You really should read the thread first.

" :rolleyes: "

I already read what you wrote. And you're going on about drinking and people with drinking problems. How exactly does that NOT have anything to do with alcoholics?

[HIT]

I already read what you wrote. And you're going on about drinking and people with drinking problems. How exactly does that NOT have anything to do with alcoholics?
Obviously you didnt read hard enougth.

[Blagsta]

Don't get hung up on what "alcoholic" means. If someone wants to drink (or take drugs) over everything else in their lives, they have a problem.

[HIT]

And wouldn't everyone prefer to have fun than work? I certainly don't begrudge people who hate working. Working is shit for most people. I don't mind people who might take a while to find a job they can stick at. Most jobs are souless mind numbing underpaid shit.
I would love to have a fun life 24/7, but unfortunately working to support myself is something I have to do.

Theres take a while off, & there's a 23 y/o who hasn't done a single days work since he left school at 16, who admits he doesn't want to work at all.

Wouldn't that be a perfect life... He has gotten in the habit of knowing that he can claim benefits & dont have to work. The benefit system is there for people that need it.

If someone said to you that you dont ever have to work again because you can just sign on, would you accept that?

[Sofie]

If someone said to you that you dont ever have to work again because you can just sign on, would you accept that?

That would get boring after a while, tbh. And personally, I'd prefer to earn my money.

[HIT]

That would get boring after a while, tbh. And personally, I'd prefer to earn my money.
Absolutely. It really is a matter of self respect. If you can support yourself you should. I admit I signed on to the doll when I was unemployed & TBH I felt I could support myself without claiming benefits, in which IMO the benefit system should be for people who need it.

[Blagsta]

23 is very young. I didn't want a job at 23. However, living on benefits these days is not easy. He probably feels a bit depressed, alienated, angry at a shitty economic system which forces people to work in shitty jobs just to pay the rent. I know I did at that age. So what? Most people find what it is they want to do - again, I did.

Healthy well adjusted people want to do things, its in our nature. However those things are not always the things that pay the rent. Most people have things they like doing - writing, music, art, computers, whatever. Things that are creative, that enable us to realise our full potential. Unfortunately, we live in a society where people are forced into doing shit jobs just to afford to live. If someone doesn't want to work in a shit job, then fair enough IMO. They'll eventually find something they want to do and do it and get paid for it. Or they'll have an utterly miserable life.

[Jim V]

this debate isn't going to be very helpful to TheSoveriegn, if you want to continue what you're talking about feel free to do it in the Politics and Debate board, just go ahead and start a thread.

But I'm not going to leave up future posts that are talking about a wider politcal positon, especially when revolting terms like 'circles of scum' are starting to be used.

That isn't what this section is for, if someone wants to post a link to a thread they start feel free, otherwise don't waste a lot of time on a debating reply that will just be deleted

[HIT]

Absolutely. It really is a matter of self respect. If you can support yourself you should. I admit I signed on to the doll when I was unemployed & TBH I felt I could support myself without claiming benefits, in which IMO the benefit system should be for people who need it.

EDIT: I signed off after a few days.

[Sofie]

If you can support yourself you should.

:yes:

I admit I signed on to the doll when I was unemployed & TBH I felt I could support myself without claiming benefits, in which IMO the benefit system should be for people who need it.

And not lazy people who just can't bothered to get jobs who can?

[Blagsta]

Even when I was signing on, I was doing things. Vol work in a community cafe, political activism, DJ'ing, putting on parties etc. Eventually I found something that I wanted to do and get paid for - being a substance misuse worker.

[Blagsta]

If you can support yourself you should.

I agree. However, the reasons why people can't (or feel they can't) are many and varied and not always obvious.

[Blagsta]

this debate isn't going to be very helpful to TheSoveriegn, if you want to continue what you're talking about feel free to do it in the Politics and Debate board, just go ahead and start a thread.

But I'm not going to leave up future posts that are talking about a wider politcal positon, especially when revolting terms like 'circles of scum' are starting to be used.

That isn't what this section is for, if someone wants to post a link to a thread they start feel free, otherwise don't waste a lot of time on a debating reply that will just be deleted

Fairynuff.

[Blagsta]

Thats great. Like in Australia, people claiming for job seekers allowances are made to do some sort of work weather its voluntary or not. I think that rule should apply to people still looking for work after 6 months.

I think its a really shit idea. I worked 'cos I wanted to - I also was involved in setting the cafe up. Forcing people to work when they don't want to/can't is a really bad idea.

[z-]

i dont understand where people get the impression being on JSA provides a fun and easy life.. about 200 quid a month doesnt go all that far

koe a lot of your views are very narrow minded.. would i be right in assuming you're not from a working class area?

[Jim V]

as I mentioned please use this thread to provide advice on the issue started, anything else should be in politics, so feel free to start a different thread there.

[Man Of Kent]

i'm on income support and, after the first twenty pounds, for every pound you earn comes a pound off your giro. so what jobs can i do that earn at most 20-25pounds a pop

Not sure I understand the problem here - unless you are also looking at the additional benefits which come from being on IS, free Prescriptions, housing benefit etc.

There isn't much which you can do for only £20 per week and you might want to consider doing something voluntary until you decide what you really want to do with your life.

Having said that, if you are able to work then perhaps finding something with a greater income than IS would be a better solution. Personally I worked for six years before I found the perfect career for me, but I paid my own way while I was looking and certainly that helps with pride and dignity...

[girl with sharp teeth]

I've worked for both a debt management/counselling company, and a debt recovery company. I have a worse opinion of debt management companies. I work for a charidee, not a debt management company *spits*

[girl with sharp teeth]

Not sure I understand the problem here - unless you are also looking at the additional benefits which come from being on IS, free Prescriptions, housing benefit etc. I was going to mention this - Sovereign, have you checked your full benefit entitlement? You should at least be getting some housing benefit, which would obviously free up a lot of your current expenditure.

I'd get your local Citizens Advice Bureau to run a benefits check through with you and see if you're missing out on other stuff.

[Joolyknockers]

I would have a look on http://www.entitledto.com to check you are claiming everything you are able to.

Disability Living Allowance is not taken into account when calculating housing benefit, and it seems to increase the amount of rent the council will take into account, so it might be worth checking that out.