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Clandestine

06-06-2006, 11:08 PM

But sure we might aswell attack it just in case it decides to blow the earth to smithereens!

And in so doing, actually prove once again which nations actually ARE the ones with the criminal intent to blow the world (or desired portions of it, at any rate) to smithereens.

[edited to add: oh yes, everwonder, lets blow them up for undertaking actions wholly authorised under the stipulations of the NPT, whilst our own governments actually ARE openly pursuing military developments forbidden by that same treaty (along with countless other duly ratified treaties and conventions which have been called "quaint", "irrelevant", or "inapplicable" by the warmongers currently in power).]

Clandestine

06-06-2006, 11:16 PM

So you'll be signing up to go and do your part to advance this further militancy you support so much? Or does someone elses child have go risk life and limb to satisfy your need for more destruction?

Livin' on a prayer

06-06-2006, 11:23 PM

People dont really hate the Iranians, they hate the government. Cuz they say things like; "the holocaust never happened" and "Isreal should wiped of the map" and also becuase its an autocratic and oppressive regime and very violent to its surrounding neighbours. When the oil runs out, it will all disappear...

Yerascrote

06-06-2006, 11:28 PM

Cuz they say things like; "the holocaust never happened" and "Isreal should wiped of the map" and also becuase its an autocratic and oppressive regime and very violent to its surrounding neighbours. When the oil runs out, it will all disappear...

Freedom of speech is one hell of a thing, they have a right to say that no matter how wrong it is. It's a different story if they act on their threats which I don't think they will for a variety of reasons, the main one being an almost certain American invasion and no one wants that (except the Americans)

It's no less oppressive than any other Middle Eastern country and certainly no less oppressive than Saudi Arabia, who the Americans just love to love. Hypocrosy at the highest!

Livin' on a prayer

06-06-2006, 11:31 PM

Freedom of speech is one hell of a thing, they have a right to say that no matter how wrong it is. It's a different story if they act on their threats which I don't think they will for a variety of reasons, the main one being an almost certain American invasion and no one wants that (except the Americans)

It's no less oppressive than any other Middle Eastern country and certainly no less oppressive than Saudi Arabia, who the Americans just love to love. Hypocrosy at the highest!

Erm, it wasnt them that said those things...its was their current President, Tehran. Its totally unacceptable for a world leader to say things like that.

Yerascrote

06-06-2006, 11:32 PM

Erm, it wasnt them that said those things...its was their current President Tehran..

Erm I know it was Ahmadinejad who said it, he said it should be wiped from the planet, didn't say he would.

Livin' on a prayer

06-06-2006, 11:34 PM

Erm I know it was Ahmadinejad who said it, he said it should be wiped from the planet, didn't say he would.

He also said that the holocaust isnt that bad, and that it didnt really happen.

Yerascrote

06-06-2006, 11:39 PM

He also said that the holocaust isnt that bad, and that it didnt really happen.

And that merits an invasion? :confused:

Clandestine

07-06-2006, 12:22 AM

Obviously our young aggressivists do not comprehend the vast difference between a few tactless comments and plans to devastate cities and populations with massive Tomahawk missile bombardments and subsequent ground assault.

So nice to sit comfy in one's UK/US armchair and dismiss the flagrant destruction of another nations' infrastructures and way of life just because our leaders claim them to be a threat. Doesnt matter that they have not launched any armed aggression against any of their neighbours let alone our own nations.

Welcome to the santised video game junkie generation.

Teh_Gerbil

07-06-2006, 01:05 AM

Glory to the Caliphate! Long may it live.

Iran is no problem. The only problem is America's Zionist policy in the Mid East. Oh, we must not let any Muslims stand up for themselves.. .noo! Otherwise Israel might throw a weedy. Better crush any chance they get to defend themselves!

Israel has threatened to Nuke Iran SEVERAL times. Iran only wants to have the ability to defend itself, IF they develop nuclear weapons. There is NO evidence of this once AGAIN, like IRAQ'S WMD's. Iran is currently ONLY developing a POWER STATION. What, we don't want to let them have Electric?!

God, they might get RADIOS next.

migpilot

07-06-2006, 01:28 AM

Actually it's the Ruskies that are building that Power station, if you wanna get technical.
;)

Armchair point spot on Clandestine, spot on!!
Is Iran in the USA group in the World Cup?? hehe

Teh_Gerbil

07-06-2006, 01:34 AM

Actually it's the Ruskies that are building that Power station, if you wanna get technical.
;)

Well, true this. Ah well, you know it'll be good if they are building it!

Iran should buy some weapons off them too, to complememtn it's arsenal of US weaponary the US kindly soold it whilst backing BOTH sides in the Iran-IRaq war.

And hte M1a2 abrams it needed to sell IRan because otherwise it couldn't afford them for itself. hAhah.

migpilot

07-06-2006, 01:41 AM

Teh_Gerbil

07-06-2006, 01:45 AM

I don't know why I thought of this but why name a weapons system Rapier!!
It's hardly terrifying, is it!!!

Anyway, the US probably sold them all the original M16's, the ones that jam in the extreme conditions!!

:lol:

Nah, a bunch of F-14's and Apache's like. Some M60 takns too (lol) like they'll be any gsood these days.

NO idea what rifle they use/ probalby a mix of AK's n M16's and such shit. Ah well.. they kicked Iraq's arse when it was the worlds third largest army, behind US and China, I am pretty sure therefore Iran can stand up for itself!

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 09:05 AM

Glory to the Caliphate! Long may it live.

Bizarre.

Iran is no problem.

You might disagree if you were one of the persecuted 6 million Sunni Muslims in Iran, one of the 300,000 Baha'is or one of Iran's 300,000 Christians...For any civilised person who finds indiscriminately persecuting religious minorities abhorrent Iran is a problem.

The only problem is America's Zionist policy in the Mid East. Oh, we must not let any Muslims stand up for themselves.. .noo! Otherwise Israel might throw a weedy. Better crush any chance they get to defend themselves!

:confused: What's Iran defending itself from? It's already been established that neither America nor Britain has the resources required to attack Iran at the moment. And you're even madder than I thought if you think Israel was planning some kind of unilateral invasion. The US would have no interest in a dump like Iran if the Iranians were not denying the Holocaust yet promising to enact a 'real' Middle Eastern one, ruthlessly persecuting religious minorities in Iran and threatening to destroy other countries. That also and the fact that the Iranian president is of the same mindset of the terrorist groups he funds (Islamic Jihad, Hamas, etc) - if the Iranian president starts a nuclear war he doesn’t care about the consequences, he thinks he's getting his 72 virgins...

Iran is currently ONLY developing a POWER STATION. What, we don't want to let them have Electric?!

God, they might get RADIOS next.

:lol: Iran has gigantic oil and gas reserves it could use to create electricity - and at a miniscule percentage of what nuclear energy would cost. Their intentions are evidently obvious to all except the gullible and Islamofascist apologists.

luke88

07-06-2006, 11:27 AM

This entire thread makes me chuckle.

Iran looks so nice doesn't it. Now show me pictures of 99.9% of the place.... such as the government murdering homosexuals for instance!

Bullseye

07-06-2006, 01:03 PM

Please can we not blame videogames for violence, its like blaming tv and movies for crimes. Crimes existed long before tv, films or videogames, as did wars and acts of aggression.

Back the point at hand, meh, i dont care, im too apathetic and disillusioned with everything at the moment that what ever the US and UK do or do not do with regards to iran no longer concern me! Sad some might say, but its true.

Namaste

07-06-2006, 01:10 PM

This entire thread makes me chuckle.

Iran looks so nice doesn't it. Now show me pictures of 99.9% of the place.... such as the government murdering homosexuals for instance!

So we should attack every country that persecutes homosexuals?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Laws_on_homosexuality.PNG

migpilot

07-06-2006, 01:32 PM

This entire thread makes me chuckle.

Iran looks so nice doesn't it. Now show me pictures of 99.9% of the place.... such as the government murdering homosexuals for instance!

In some countries thousands get persecuted.
In some countries hundreds.
In some a few people.

Who is going to decide whether one life or a hundred lives or a thousand lives are more valuable?
Is it acceptable for persecution to happen if it's minimal?

How can you condemn Iran when the same things happen in your own country, only on a smaller scale?

Gandhi said "You must be the change you want to see in the world"

morrocan roll

07-06-2006, 01:49 PM

In some countries thousands get persecuted.
In some countries hundreds.
In some a few people.

Who is going to decide whether one life or a hundred lives or a thousand lives are more valuable?
Is it acceptable for persecution to happen if it's minimal?

How can you condemn Iran when the same things happen in your own country, only on a smaller scale?

Gandhi said "You must be the change you want to see in the world"
...and ...is it worth destroying the infrastructure of a nation ...and maiming and killing it's children for?

Clandestine

07-06-2006, 02:11 PM

Ah but Rolly, don't you understand, when WE slaughter tens of thousands of innocents its just "collateral damage" or "acceptable losses". Nevermind that they were simply going about their daily lives when one of our bombs or our boys mowed them down, thats what they get for being in the way!

Mass psycopathy never was more flagrantly detached. It boggles the rational mind to no end!

Teh_Gerbil

07-06-2006, 02:50 PM

You might disagree if you were one of the persecuted 6 million Sunni Muslims in Iran, one of the 300,000 Baha'is or one of Iran's 300,000 Christians...For any civilised person who finds indiscriminately persecuting religious minorities abhorrent Iran is a problem.

So remind me WHY we don't invade, for this reason, half the countries in Africa... infact the west largley IGNORES the far worse persecution going on there. Zimbabwe, Somalia... only the CHINESE, of all people, are helping. And then the US moans at them for their world influence!

:confused: What's Iran defending itself from? It's already been established that neither America nor Britain has the resources required to attack Iran at the moment. And you're even madder than I thought if you think Israel was planning some kind of unilateral invasion. The US would have no interest in a dump like Iran if the Iranians were not denying the Holocaust yet promising to enact a 'real' Middle Eastern one, ruthlessly persecuting religious minorities in Iran and threatening to destroy other countries. That also and the fact that the Iranian president is of the same mindset of the terrorist groups he funds (Islamic Jihad, Hamas, etc) - if the Iranian president starts a nuclear war he doesn’t care about the consequences, he thinks he's getting his 72 virgins...

Again. Their are worse threats in the world. North Korea for instance? And Iran would not use Nukes without a reason. Say, if it were nuked first. He isn't stupid. And it is defending itself from a country that has threatened to nuke it - Israel. I said this before. Israel, which has its nukes ILLEGALLY, has threatened to use them against Iran. Joy. When it isn't selling US technology to the Chinese, that is.

:lol: Iran has gigantic oil and gas reserves it could use to create electricity - and at a miniscule percentage of what nuclear energy would cost. Their intentions are evidently obvious to all except the gullible and Islamofascist apologists.

No, Nuclear Energy is far cheaper in the long run. It pays for itself severall times over, infact. Don't be silly. Also, the Oil is going to run out in the future. Perhaps, unlike America, Iran is thinking about the future? I mean, even Britain is most probably building more Nuclear power plants. Does that mean we intend to make 20,000 more Nuclear Missiles?

Yerascrote

07-06-2006, 03:41 PM

You might disagree if you were one of the persecuted 6 million Sunni Muslims in Iran, one of the 300,000 Baha'is or one of Iran's 300,000 Christians...For any civilised person who finds indiscriminately persecuting religious minorities abhorrent Iran is a problem.

Persecution? As far as I know there are still about 30,000 Jews in Iran, shouldn't they all be in a mass graveyard by now? Read this:

Article 27 of the ICCPR deals directly with the question of religious and ethnic minorities. It states:

In those states in which ethnic, religious or linguistic minorities exist, persons belonging to such minorities shall not be denied the right, in community with the other members of their group, to enjoy their own culture, to profess and practice their own religion, or to use their own language.

Many articles of Iranian legislation outlaw discrimination on the basis of race or national origin. Article 19 of the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran states: "All people of Iran, whatever the ethnic group or tribe to which they belong, enjoy equal rights, and color, race, language, and the like do not bestow any privilege." The right of equality before the law is guaranteed in Article 3(14) of the constitution.

Articles 13 and 14 of the constitution refer to the freedom of recognized religious minorities. Article 13 states, "Zoroastrian, Jewish and Christian Iranians are the only religious minorities who, within the limits of the law, are free to perform their religious rites and ceremonies and to act according to their own canon in matters of personal affairs and religious education."Article 14 explains that, "The Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and all Muslims are duty bound to treat non-Muslims in conformity with equitable norms and the principles of Islamic justice and equity and to respect their human rights.

Taken from: http://www.hrw.org/reports/1997/iran/Iran-04.htm

What's Iran defending itself from? It's already been established that neither America nor Britain has the resources required to attack Iran at the moment. And you're even madder than I thought if you think Israel was planning some kind of unilateral invasion. The US would have no interest in a dump like Iran if the Iranians were not denying the Holocaust yet promising to enact a 'real' Middle Eastern one, ruthlessly persecuting religious minorities in Iran and threatening to destroy other countries. That also and the fact that the Iranian president is of the same mindset of the terrorist groups he funds (Islamic Jihad, Hamas, etc) - if the Iranian president starts a nuclear war he doesn’t care about the consequences, he thinks he's getting his 72 virgins...

Have you been living under a rock for the past year. America has stated several times that Iran is a viable target, especially if they continue with their uranium project or whatever the fuck it is.

Teh_Gerbil

07-06-2006, 04:05 PM

Not only Jews in Iran...

Alot of American, some black, Basketball players have gone there and joined Iranian teams. They say that the crime rates are lower than in the US, they feel safe walking the streets at night, and get less persecution if they are black than at home.

Not so bad after all.

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 04:33 PM

Persecution? As far as I know there are still about 30,000 Jews in Iran, shouldn't they all be in a mass graveyard by now?

From a thread a few days back 'Why the neo-nazis salute Iran's president'

While the regime loathes Israel, rounding up Jews would be the best way to trigger international outrage, so a surrogate enemy has been found: the Baha’i religion, which was founded in 19th-century Iran. Their ancestors converted from Islam, so they are deemed apostates; and because the Baha’i faith has its headquarters in Israel, they are wrongly accused of being Zionist or US spies. Unlike Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians — who are at least given some constitutional protection because their religions are recognised — Iran’s 300,000 Baha’is are officially ‘unprotected infidels’ or a ‘misguided sect’ and hence the lowest of the low.

Articles 13 and 14 of the constitution refer to the freedom of recognized religious minorities.

Great...if you're a recognised religious minority. Although it's a shame Article 13 and 14 aren't even observed as regard to recognised religious minorities. As you'd know if you bothered to do your research on the treatment of Sunni Muslims, Christians and Jews who are 'recognised' religious minorities. From what I've read Iranian Jews face far less persecution than non-Shia Muslims and Baha'is - although the Iranian regime floods the Iranian people with extreme anti-Semitic propaganda.

Have you been living under a rock for the past year. America has stated several times that Iran is a viable target, especially if they continue with their uranium project or whatever the fuck it is.

That's the point... :rolleyes: If Iran was not intent on developing nuclear weapons America wouldn't have any interest in invading Iran. And er even if America wanted to in terms of resources it's almost impossible. As the Iranians themselves know the Americans can't do to Iran what they did to Iraq - which is partly why they're pursuing their goal of getting a nuke.

Anyway it's pointless debating this with you. European anti-Semites are big fans of the Iranian president as we'll see from the neo-Nazi thugs marching in support of Iran at the World Cup...

Clandestine

07-06-2006, 04:44 PM

European anti-Semites

This coming from a well recognised hardline Zionist extremist ideologue who can do no more than parrot the propaganda of his preferred right wing spinmeisters.

Youre every bit the intractible, tactless bigot as those you condemn (and with far less historical legitimacy for your own claims than they who rightfully seek to defend themselves against the machinations of Washington and Tel Aviv).

You and lukish must be joined at the hip! :lol:

Yerascrote

07-06-2006, 05:06 PM

European anti-Semites are big fans of the Iranian president as we'll see from the neo-Nazi thugs marching in support of Iran at the World Cup...

Escuse me but I'm not an anti-Semite. I do admire Ahmadinejad though. Great man.

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 05:18 PM

Escuse me but I'm not an anti-Semite. I do admire Ahmadinejad though. Great man.

:lol: If you admire somebody who wants to wipe Israel off the map and denies the Holocaust (but wants a Middle Eastern one) you're anti-Semitic. (Or are you going to try and tell me neo-Nazis fetishising Hitler and just think he's a 'great man' aren't anti-Semites...)

There's several instances of your anti-Semitism on here. The most recent was some bollocks about Jews controlling the media and the whole war on terrorism being a Jewish plot...

Teh_Gerbil

07-06-2006, 05:19 PM

Escuse me but I'm not an anti-Semite. I do admire Ahmadinejad though. Great man.

Quite. Whilst I recognise that he is a nasty bit of work, you have to admire him for his stand against the West and Israel. At least he isn't a coward and won't back down.

And as for these Neo-Nazi marches in support of Iran, they will hopefully support HAMAS too, 'cos the Klan endorsed HAMAS's actions.

Ooh, Klan Approved Terrorism. So as well as US funding of the IRA, the Klan supports HAMAS. So much for Bush's "War on Terror", eh?

Yerascrote

07-06-2006, 05:22 PM

:lol: If you admire somebody who wants to wipe Israel off the map and denies the Holocaust (but wants a Middle Eastern one) you're anti-Semitic. (Or are you going to try and tell me neo-Nazis fetishising Hitler and just think he's a 'great man' aren't anti-Semites...)

I admire him because he has the balls to stick up to the wanks on the other side of the Atlantic.

I don't like the idea of the State of Israel not because I hate Jews but because I support the people of Palestine, always have, always will.

Yerascrote

07-06-2006, 05:24 PM

the whole war on terrorism being a Jewish plot...

I never said that.

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 05:27 PM

Ooh, Klan Approved Terrorism. So as well as US funding of the IRA, the Klan supports HAMAS. So much for Bush's "War on Terror", eh?

The KKK doesn't really exist any more. It's got a few thousand members at most, many aren't active and apart from the odd march they're just a few loons confined mainly to the internet it seems.

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 05:36 PM

I never said that.

You said...

It's benefits Zionism more to get people worked up over Al Qaeda than it does the IRA so their antics in the Middle East can be excused better, and with Zionists having a strong influence over the media, they can do this easily.

Yerascrote

07-06-2006, 05:40 PM

Yeh and that doesn't mean I think the war on terror is a Jewish plot, just that I think they use their influence over the media to get people more worked up over it so it helps excuse America's actions in the middle East which benefits Israel in many ways.

Clandestine

07-06-2006, 06:25 PM

Turlough, you need not defend yourself against Dis' stock in trade "anti-semite" accusations. He is merely amongst latest generation in a generations long hand-me-down succession of extremist, apartheid-loving, (truly anti-semitic) apologists for an exceptionalist neo-colonialist state, whose entire worldview is based on falsified, whitewashed history of the region.

Support for the rightful Palestinian inhabitants of the land (including those hundreds of thousands driven out by force and acts of Irgun and Haganah terrorism) is indeed the most pro-semitic (not to mention intellectually honest and morally consistent) stance one can adopt.

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 06:45 PM

^
Very moving Clan. I must say I have missed your politics posts recently. Although are you making a reappearance to the Sex forum? Or did you realise that it's a tad distasteful for a 45 year old to talk in depth to teenagers about when he wants oral sex, what turns him on and his favourite positions?

Anyway, is somebody who defends a well known anti-Semite like Hitler anti-Semitic?

Yerascrote

07-06-2006, 06:52 PM

Anyway, is somebody who defends a well known anti-Semite like Hitler anti-Semitic?

Who's defending Hitler?

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 06:59 PM

Who's defending Hitler?

You've defended Ahmadinejad. Like Hitler, he's a rabid anti-Semite. Although Ahmadinejad thinks the Holocaust is a 'myth' - he has said a real Holocaust would be an excellent idea...

Clandestine

07-06-2006, 07:02 PM

Spouting more lies again in your sad effort to avoid confronting the truth of your own truly anti-semitic extremist bigotry, Dis? There seems to be no depth to which you wont sink to weasel attention away from the glaring intellectual dishonesty of your hand-me-down world view.

I would love to see evidence of your snide accusation. I know for a fact that my last post in the Sex Forums was a single post in 2004 with none since that time. I also happen to be 41 not 45 so try to stick to political discussions in this forum however difficult that may be for one so full of evasive dodges as yourself.

Thanks.

Yerascrote

07-06-2006, 07:05 PM

You've defended Ahmadinejad. Like Hitler, he's a rabid anti-Semite. Although Ahmadinejad thinks the Holocaust is a 'myth' - he has said a real Holocaust would be an excellent idea...

You throw the word anti-Semite about so much you'd think you own it. Oh just call them an anti-Semite and that means I'm right. :rolleyes:

Clandestine

07-06-2006, 07:08 PM

Honestly Turlough, you'll get nowhere discussing JDL and AIPAC-scripted soundbites with Dis. His excuses for Israeli atrocities against Palestinians paints him as the true anti-semite in these sorts of discussions.

migpilot

07-06-2006, 07:15 PM

WARNING!WARNING! Thread diversion in progressWARNING!WARNING!
:D

morrocan roll

07-06-2006, 07:20 PM

WARNING!WARNING! Thread diversion in progressWARNING!WARNING!
:D
:p

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 07:57 PM

I would love to see evidence of your snide accusation.

No problem.

Clan on oral sex:
I love giving oral and I love the taste too. I dont think I can ever give enough.
Clicky. (http://vbulletin.thesite.org/showthread.php?t=15995)

Clan on anal sex:
Id suggest you just suggest it when your in the heat of passion (perhaps when you are telling each other fantasies and such) and see what her reaction to the idea is. If you are both drunk i would think she just might be game to try it.
Clicky. (http://vbulletin.thesite.org/showthread.php?t=16605)

And er I think we've had enough already...

I also happen to be 41 not 45 so try to stick to political discussions in this forum however difficult that may be for one so full of evasive dodges as yourself.

Okay. Would somebody who defends a well known anti-Semite like Hitler be anti-Semitic?

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 08:14 PM

Honestly Turlough, you'll get nowhere discussing JDL and AIPAC-scripted soundbites with Dis.

I can only assume you're getting the ADL and JDL confused...I support the ADL and I actually share their disdain for the JDL. (I admire Rabin, I supported the Gaza withdrawal, I support further withdrawals from the West Bank like Kadima - er I'm hardly a JDL supporter. Anyway I don't even think the JDL has a presence in Europe, does it even have anything outside NY?) And er I don't think I've ever discussed my religious background on here either but I'd imagine you'd need to be a religious Jew to join the JDL which I am not.

His excuses for Israeli atrocities against Palestinians paints him as the true anti-semite in these sorts of discussions.

Classic. You never condemn anti-Semitism you just argue pathetically and clutch at straws over the origins of the word. Assuming the dictionary definition, that is of hostility, prejudice or hatred to Jews is it even within you to condemn the Iranian president?

Renzo

07-06-2006, 08:48 PM

I'd like to say at this point my av is only due to the world cup sweepstakes in the sports forum...

Jim V

07-06-2006, 09:07 PM

I'd love to know what the fuck someone posts in the sex boards has to do with a debate on Iran, outside of people thinking insulting or trying to humilate others is a way to debate issues.

FOR EVERYONE

You can surely manage, assuming you don't have the mental age of a water starved cod, to debate this issue without directly insulting each other - so all the snide insults can stop, on all sides, and just stick to putting your point across and if you can't well your views obviously aren't as important to you as scoring points.

Clandestine

07-06-2006, 09:07 PM

Nice try Dis, but once again, rather than apply the disingenuous practices of your favorite yellow journalistic media mentors, try posting the dates when those comments were made and voila, my previous contention is justified.

Shall we tout out your sexual commentaries from an entirely unrelated forum to hijack this thread further? No, those of us with intellectual consistency and some measure of maturity recognise the irrelevance of such pathetic dodge tactics.

As if an extremist apologist for Israeli ethnocide is in any position to lecture anyone on morality! :lol:

Keep weaving and dodging boy, one day the awful truth of your immoral and misinformed ideology will catch up with you.

Jim V

07-06-2006, 09:19 PM

See that's the kind of snide, childish garbage that isn't of a high enough standard. Be the bigger man, stop this tirade of insults and talk about the issues, facts and views.

Clandestine

07-06-2006, 09:28 PM

You never condemn anti-Semitism

Au contraire little man, I condemn true Anti-Semitism vehemently. It's you who chooses to ignore the true semitism of the Palestinian and indeed entire Arab population of the region and thereby the wholly ANTI-semitic policies of systematic ethnocide, daily abuse and dehumanisation inherent to your adopted and unscrutinised extremist ideology.

Oh and I made no confusion between JDL and ADL (although I did fail to include the ADL as I should have). All such organisations are a plague on the true Judaic teachings of social justice and are nothing more than neo-naziistic enterprises for another form of exceptionalistic group superiority mindset. That you support them despite their well known fascist practices of blacklists, character smears, false press, et al. (even demonstrably adopting their practices yourself in this very thread) shows your periodic avowals of support for democratic principle are entirely false.

Perhaps when you can fathom the concept of "consistency of principle" youll come to realise that mere claims of Jewishness are nothing more than a smokescreen for Zionist organisations and their most vociferous adherents to hide behind and certainly no shield against the sort of evil intent toward social and political conformity which led to such dispicable suffering generations ago. The parity between them is in their actions, not their claims.

Many intellectually and morally consistent Jews and non-Jews alike recognise Zionism for the evil it has ever been and remains to this day.

Clandestine

07-06-2006, 09:30 PM

Apologies Jim, I was busy writing that post while you had already posted. Having seen it I shall attempt to tone down my frustration at Dis' nonsense.

Disillusioned

07-06-2006, 10:36 PM

Sorry Jim, a cheap and childish shot to take at Clan I realise.

I do not expect to change your mind Clan as I am sure you do not expect to sway me. But your characterisation of me as some kind of diehard Zionist is untrue. Like most ordinary, decent Israelis, and I'd like to think most Palestinians too I support peace. From the great people in the region I know they deserve peace and I really hope they find it.

Like a lot of people I believe in order to achieve peace the Israelis must withdraw from ideally the entire West Bank (although I accept Israel's right to secure borders make a 97 or 98% withdrawal a more realistic goal). I also believe the Palestinians must disarm their terrorist groups; Islamic Jihad needs to disarm and Hamas – well despite their acts of terrorism if they're willing to renounce terrorism, recognise Israel and embrace peaceful negotiation then the Israelis have to work with them. The absence of a Palestinian state is I think a tragedy, it should have happened in 1937 or 1947/8. It's catastrophic that it hasn’t happened since then and all sides share the blame; the surrounding Arab states as well as the Israelis and Palestinians themselves. I can't see things in black and white Clan. I don't blindly support or hate one side like yourself. Unlike yourself and the Iranian president I support Israel's right to exist. I don't see what's so extreme and ideological about wanting two states and peaceful coexistence.

You can call it what you like but I support the State of Israel and don't see anything so wrong in a tiny democratic segment in the Middle East existing. Holocaust survivors, exiled Arab Jews, oppressed Soviet Jews, Christians and Muslims have made Israel their home and despite its problems its prospered. I support the Palestinians too and I really hope a Palestinian state materialises. I hope one day you see Israel for yourself and meet some Israelis. Israel isn't perfect, I've never said it is but it's hurtful and inaccurate for it to be portrayed as the devil incarnate. The many Israeli achievements, the existence within Israel itself of Jews, Muslims and Christians living together in relative peace enjoying free speech, freedom to worship, etc is rare in the Middle East and should be treasured.

Regardless, you hate the existence of the Jewish state but can you accept its existence? Israel isn't disappearing. Get into reality Clan and maybe say something constructive.

And my hatred for Muslims and all? Whatever. That’s why I was condemning the Iranian president for his persecution of Sunni Muslims, etc.

Why won't you condemn the Iranian president for his hatred of Jews? Why can't you bring yourself to condemn anti-Semitism? Okay, forget it - I don't want to argue over the word. We'll say hatred of Jews. Do you condemn the Iranian president for hating Jews? For inciting hatred against Jews? For denying the Holocaust? For calling for a 'real' Middle Eastern holocaust? It's just depressingly Clan I've never heard you once condemn this stuff. You just argue over the word.

Over twenty years on a Bob Dylan (http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/bully.html) song still sums it up in so many ways I feel...

Yerascrote

07-06-2006, 11:35 PM

That's all well and good dis, but it's the manner in which the Israeli State was created, the forceful displacing of the people who lived there and their continual treatment of these people is what annoys us the most.

Teh_Gerbil

08-06-2006, 12:38 AM

The KKK doesn't really exist any more. It's got a few thousand members at most, many aren't active and apart from the odd march they're just a few loons confined mainly to the internet it seems.

They do... it's just hte mainstream acceptanble public face is called the NRA.

And Renzo... nice avatar!

Honestly. Iran... is no threat. Rembmer how we were told Iraq was a threat and it turned out to be as threatening as a turd sandwich?

Jim V

08-06-2006, 12:57 AM

I'm With Stupid

08-06-2006, 01:27 AM

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2893/iran86ev.jpg
Who else wants to slide down that?

Looks quite nice. I imagine holidays are quite cheap there too.

Teh_Gerbil

08-06-2006, 02:28 AM

Not only is it ridiculous to compare the NRA to the KKK it also really insults the many people who struggled in the civil rights movement against the actual KKK during its heights. They weren't fighting an organisation that was pro-guns or right wing, they faced death and were killed in that fight.

It doesn't do any good to be so dismissive of the real historical facts about some organisations, and whilst the NRA may certainly contain some members who are racist, I'm hard pressed to remember them carrying out lynching and outright murder - and I'm sure the non-white members of the NRA would feel both insulted and horrified by the implications that they are racists and members of the Klu Klux Klan.

It was a joke reference from the a TV show I can't remember. I should probably state this sortof thing in my post infuture to calrify.

And as for sliding down the building... stop watching certain Kung Fu movies. Although, that was an awesome film.

Back on Issue though... I feel Israel should give back lal the terroritory it occupied after it's creation, and is still illegally occupying. I think this would go a long way to help peace in the Mid-East. Whislt it wouldn't satisfy all the people (Including the Iranian Govt.), it would probably help a great deal in Legitimizing anything the Israelis say. Even so, they'd probably satill make mad claims and bomb civilians... it's about time they got a decent Govt.