Sigh...

[Lifeless]

I hate being alive...

[littlemissy]

I hate being alive...

Why? What makes you feel like that? Is there something in your life that sparks this feeling off?

A single post like that isn't going to help me give you advice :)

[Lifeless]

Well, you know how people make connections with other people and form relationships and stuff? It seems that I can't do that.

I don't know. It's really weird. It's like I'm an alien or something. I don't seem to have anything in common with anyone. It just makes everything that little bit harder.

Or maybe it's the fact that women throw themselves at guys who act like 12 year old prepubescent twats. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[littlemissy]

Well, you know how people make connections with other people and form relationships and stuff? It seems that I can't do that.

I don't know. It's really weird. It's like I'm an alien or something. I don't seem to have anything in common with anyone. It just makes everything that little bit harder.


Maybe you aren't meeting the right sort of people. Like, think about what sort of people you wish to meet and then seek them out. You *must* have something in common with at least one of the 6 billion people on earth! I do know and appreciate that it is difficult, but unfortunately, that's the way it goes. Try and be pro-active about life :)


Or maybe it's the fact that women throw themselves at guys who act like 12 year old prepubescent twats. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Then you are certainly going after the wrong sort of women.

Don't go looking for a girlfriend, it doesn't work like that. However, if you start meeting people you have things in common with, as I already suggested, tnen you may find someone you like / who appreciates you more than these sorts of women.

I know my advice probably sounds a little harsh but the best way to sort things out is to get yourself out of your rut and look on the positive side of things. Try and meet new people and get yourself sorted that way :)

[Lifeless]

Hmm, I dunno. I do kind of enjoy brooding. Besides, I've gone after all kinds of women and they all seem to find immaturity really attractive.

I'm just really not impressed with life at all.

[The Pendari Champion]

Ok, well I'm not sure if this is the right thing to say, but why dont you put women to oneside for a bit, and find something in this world that you can enjoy.

There must be atleast a few things you'd like. I dont know, erm..weightlifting, stamp collecting, photography, naturism, birdwatching, the list is endless.

Think about your childhood, what did you always want to do/be when you grew up, and try to get a little closer to that.

Finding a lady friend is not going to fix your problems, but it may just cause more heartache on both sides, because your problems might be a bit deeper than wanting a girlfriend.

[Lacy]

How old are you?

You'll find that a lot of girls of a certain age like immature twats, but usually people grow out of that as they get older.

Your definitely going after the wrong girls by the sounds of things.

[Lifeless]

I'm 22.

It's not even about getting a girlfriend anymore. It's about finding someone who actually gives a toss about me. :impissed:

On the interest side I don't really enjoy anything anymore or at least the interest doesn't last very long. And the less said about my childhood the better.

I just can't be bothered anymore...

[Kentish]

I'm 22.

It's not even about getting a girlfriend anymore. It's about finding someone who actually gives a toss about me. :impissed:

On the interest side I don't really enjoy anything anymore or at least the interest doesn't last very long. And the less said about my childhood the better.

I just can't be bothered anymore...
You sound depressed. Have you been to see your GP?

[Lifeless]

Yeah, last October. Been on anti-depressants and had counseling ever since.

[muse-]

do anti-depressants work for ANYONE? I don't think drugs are the way to go with mental issues...

[SuzyCreamcheese]

is it really so bad that you hate being alive, or is that just a figure of speech?

[Lifeless]

I really hate being alive. I'm not saying I want to kill myself but if I was given a choice I wouldn't of chose life.

[Simba T Lion]

do anti-depressants work for ANYONE? I don't think drugs are the way to go with mental issues...

They work for me. A decade of therapy did nothing.
And my sister, mother and grandmother.

Each person is different though. You never know what will work and what won't until you try.

[littlemissy]

I really hate being alive. I'm not saying I want to kill myself but if I was given a choice I wouldn't of chose life.

I think you need to go back to your GP and/counsellor and discuss this with them.

do anti-depressants work for ANYONE? I don't think drugs are the way to go with mental issues...

They worked for me :)

[IWishIWas]

Hey... uhm, I thought I'd just ask here if anyone knew how to go about getting a counsellor and what it is they actually do because I'm quite interested in seeing one.

[Kentish]

Yeah, last October. Been on anti-depressants and had counseling ever since.
I think you should go back to the GP you saw in October and explain the situation. You may need a different drug or a change in dose, or other treatment.

[muse-]

but the drugs just mask it do they not? theyre not a cure?

[The Pendari Champion]

From what I've read, drugs are only slightly better than placebos in medical tests.

BUT, placebos and therapy were almost as affective as drugs and therapy.

Here's a link, it's only wikipedia, but I guess its a start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepressant#Controversy

[Lifeless]

They worked for me in the beginning but they seem to have lost their effectiveness. The thing is I don't want to take stronger meds. It'll just make that much harder to come off them.

There's a slight possibility I might be bi-polar but being health professionals they would of seen that, right?

[muse-]

not neccessarily... i was speaking to someone with that, they may just get it mixed with normal depression

[Lifeless]

Hey... uhm, I thought I'd just ask here if anyone knew how to go about getting a counsellor and what it is they actually do because I'm quite interested in seeing one.

Well, I spoke to my GP and he refered me to her for an assessment and things pretty much went from there. Basically, she talked with me about my problems but she didnt really offer any practical help.

She (after about 5 sessions) then refered me to a psychologist. He (again) talked to me about my problems and stuff but didn't really offer anything practical.

Only saw him about 3 times then he got me to go on this cognitive therapy course. Basically, it's a 4 week course that *tries* to teach you how to think positively and to challenge the assumptions you make.

But my problem isn't really how I think about myself its more about how I relate with others and how they treat me. It's pretty hard to challenge your assumptions when they keep turning out to be true. :impissed:

Sorry. Didn't mean to rant on. I was just following a train of thought...

[Simba T Lion]

They worked for me in the beginning but they seem to have lost their effectiveness. The thing is I don't want to take stronger meds. It'll just make that much harder to come off them.

There's a slight possibility I might be bi-polar but being health professionals they would of seen that, right?

I had that... I've been on AD's for 12 years, been in thearapy for 10 (minus the last 2 years) I've found that like most medications, your body grows immune to them. In my epxerience, and I'm not ashamed to share this, nor am I embaressed.

Alot of people will think this to be absolute crap, as I have been told many times before on here. Told I'm a bullshiter.

But anwyas, I've been getting various types of "help" for my depression and anxiety for over a decade. Since I was 8 years old to be factual. I've had years and years of therapy. I've had various doctors ranging from therapists/counclers to psychologist/psychictirsts/behavorilists and even your GP. After many sessions each and every one of them has told me that what I suffer is a purely physical disorder.

Depression is not very well known, in what causes it and all that stuff. There are various theros, but since its nearly impossible to prove any of them, none can be exact, but after over half a dozen people telling me that its a chemical disorder, I do believe that it is true.

I don't know what you experience, what your life has been like. I don't know if there are certian factors that make you feel the way you do. But in my experience, there is nothing.

You can discuss what is wrong here, or you can discuss what is wrong with you therapist or GP. If there is anything wrong. If there is not, don't give up on the medications. It can take years to find one that works right. And after that, they can wear out quickly. I was on one that I became immune to after 2 years. But in my experience, they do help. Alot.

Without them, I'm suicideal, I'm overaly emotional, I cry and bawl and scream from a paper cut, literally. With them, I'm normal.

I'm not saying thats how it is for you, but don't give up on them. Talk with your GP, your therapist and find all the options. Maybe it is something emotionlly wrong that can be fixed... maybe it is an imbalance that will only be helped by medications. By the right ones. Which is a completly trial and error method.

Most everybody on here (as I've said before, will say this is bullshit, I've alreay been harassed for this) But its there. Its that horrible not wanting to live can't even get out of bed feeling, a feeling you can't even describe as its so bad... and sometimes you just need to find what works. Just try. Try and fail, try and fail... try and learn. Try and find the right solution.

Nothing has made me feel more shit than this website when it comes to depression. Like I'm nothing more than a faker and a failure. People here will make you feel like your nothing, like your lying and like everythign anybody has told you is shit. But its not. From experience... theres things that work... because sometimes things can't be explained from tests they have available and therapy... theres thererois and I believe those therois are right. So fuck the people who tell you that you what your suffering from is bullshit. They know absoutly nothing. Nothing! They don't know. They havn't had years of experience to tell them. They're nothing but ignorant assholes.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

Nothing has made me feel more shit than this website when it comes to depression. Like I'm nothing more than a faker and a failure. People here will make you feel like your nothing, like your lying and like everythign anybody has told you is shit.
:( :(
Im so sorry thats been your experience manda. You dont deserve that at all :( :(

:heart:

[Lifeless]

Man, I don't know what the hell is going on but I haven't felt this bad for ages. The really weird thing is I actually felt pretty good this afternoon. :banghead:

[SuzyCreamcheese]

Im glad youre having good episodes too. Does that make the bad times easier, or does it make it feel worse when you "come down"?

[Lifeless]

It's just really frustrating. I'm still feeling a bit down this morning though.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

it does sound frustrating. Do you think theres anything in particular that sets you off, or is there a particular time of the day that you find hard?

[Lifeless]

It's just really hard being on my own all the time. The problem is I'm far too nervous & miserable to do anything about it. Too many bad experiences...

[SuzyCreamcheese]

it can be a bit of a vicious circle when its like that cant it. you feel crap so you dont feel up to doing anything, which in turn makes you feel even more crap.
do you want to say anything about the bad experiences?

[Lifeless]

Just a load of crap at school. Everything I did got ridiculed :impissed:. And my "friends" eventually ditched me because they got caught up in it sometimes. It made it impossible to socialise. It didn't end at school either...

[Namaste]

Hmm, I dunno. I do kind of enjoy brooding. Besides, I've gone after all kinds of women and they all seem to find immaturity really attractive.

I'm just really not impressed with life at all.
No, women like confidence.

[Skive]

AD have an effective placebo effect but not much more than that.

Infact in clinical trials submitted to the FDA from these big pharma companies show that in 80% of the time a placebo was as effective as the AD. Over half of these trials failed to show any difference between an AD and an inert placebo.

The fact that science has yet to proove that depression is a chemical inbalance escapes a lot of people. Too many people are too quick to buy into the adverts for these AD's.

[Namaste]

Just a load of crap at school. Everything I did got ridiculed :impissed:. And my "friends" eventually ditched me because they got caught up in it sometimes. It made it impossible to socialise. It didn't end at school either...
Well it's something you have to work on. I was bullied in school too because I have dyspraxia and had a scoliosis at the time, I was also psychologically abused by my Dad's alcoholic girlfriend and ended up in a unit with depression and anxiety disorder.

I got over it by learning from my mistakes and realising that I have friends now who will not mock me. I'll admit I have confidence problems at times (mainly due to the way I look), but at the end of the day it's something that you deal with. The past is gone and as an adult, people are far less likely to rip the piss... If they do then give it back.

I don't know your medical history or how down you are, but in order to get better... And I hate to say this, you need to work your ass off and build yourself up to be in more scary situations.

As for the women, you need to quite the attitude of women only going for men who are immature, it makes you appear as if you see yourself as above them, or have a chip on your shoulder. No offense.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

Just a load of crap at school. Everything I did got ridiculed :impissed:. And my "friends" eventually ditched me because they got caught up in it sometimes. It made it impossible to socialise. It didn't end at school either...
I think that sort of thing can easily knock your self esteem for six.
When you say it didnt end at school, what happened after? How old are you now?

[Kentish]

AD have an effective placebo effect but not much more than that.

Infact in clinical trials submitted to the FDA from these big pharma companies show that in 80% of the time a placebo was as effective as the AD. Over half of these trials failed to show any difference between an AD and an inert placebo.

The fact that science has yet to proove that depression is a chemical inbalance escapes a lot of people. Too many people are too quick to buy into the adverts for these AD's.
That's arguable. And anyway, since placebos aren't prescribed on the NHS, it seems rather irrelevant.

Take a look at the evidence:
http://www.clinicalevidence.com/ceweb/conditions/meh/1003/1003.jsp

[Skive]

That's arguable.

http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/67/9/

There's very little evidence that depression is caused by a chemical inbalance. Of course it suits the big Pharma companies to say that is it caused by an ibalance, they're cleaning up.


And anyway, since placebos aren't prescribed on the NHS, it seems rather irrelevant.

It's not irrelevent at all. It just goes to show that it's not a chemical inbalance, it's the outlook you have on your life.

[Kentish]

There's a world of a difference between a mild reactive depression and a severe suicidal depression. If anti depressants work, and there is solid evidence to support that fact, what's the problem?

ETA: AHRP, agenda much?

[SuzyCreamcheese]

is this two conversations going on at once?

[Skive]

If anti depressants work, and there is solid evidence to support that fact, what's the problem?

There is no evidence that ADs treat the causes of depression. There is evidence to show that AD's can treat the 'symptoms' of depression, but then again they've been shown to be little more effective than a placebo.

There are too many people relying on AD's, they should be to something more active to overcome the causes instead of banging on about how misrable they are and reeling of lists of AD's.

Depression is a state of mind, not a disease.

[Lifeless]

I think that sort of thing can easily knock your self esteem for six.
When you say it didnt end at school, what happened after? How old are you now?

I'm 22. It carried on in the sixth form and a few weeks ago I got some at work. Although, it's nowhere near as bad as it was it still knocked me back.

-']As for the women, you need to quite the attitude of women only going for men who are immature, it makes you appear as if you see yourself as above them, or have a chip on your shoulder. No offense.

Above who? Immature people or women? Because despite my crappy self-esteem I do think I'm above immature people.

[Kentish]

Depression is a state of mind, not a disease.
Partly, but it isn't well understood and to suggest that it is 'all in the head' and suchlike isn't helpful to anyone. Non-drug treatments are more readily available these days and it does seem that counselling and CBT are quite popular. If you were the GP faced with someone in the consulting room telling you how awful they feel and how circumstances in their life have triggered depressive symptoms, I doubt you would turn around and tell them that there is no evidence of anything working to help them, so sod off.

[Skive]

If you were the GP faced with someone in the consulting room telling you how awful they feel and how circumstances in their life have triggered depressive symptoms, I doubt you would turn around and tell them that there is no evidence of anything working to help them, so sod off.

No but I wouldn't be telling them that they have a chemical inbalance in their brain and that AD's will help, when there quite clearly isn't any evidence for it. Telling people this rubbish benifits nobody save for the companies selling AD's.

Prooven treatments for the actual causes of depression include dietry changes, excercise and counselling, that's what I'd be telling them.

[Kentish]

There's little evidence for counselling at all.

And diet and exercise are suitable only for the mildest of depressions.

[Skive]

The point is that AD's work on the premise that depression is caused by a chemical inbalance in your box. AD's do not work to treat the causes of depression the merely aliviate (poorly) the symptons.

Sometimes i believe that people revel in being depressed and being ill. Many of the people on this board who suffer from depression are the most frequent posters on the Health forum. This is not a coincidence.

It's not an opinion people liek to hear but I believe beople should stop relying on drugs and outside help to get over their misery. I'm not saying overcoming depression is easy just that the responsiblity lies with them not with their doctor or with a drug company.

[Kentish]

I don't disagree with your point, but I do know that anti depressants make a difference for some people, so wouldn't be persuaded not to prescribe them.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

I'm 22. It carried on in the sixth form and a few weeks ago I got some at work. Although, it's nowhere near as bad as it was it still knocked me back.



Above who? Immature people or women? Because despite my crappy self-esteem I do think I'm above immature people.
i can see it would knock you back a bit, Bit of a reminder of a time youd like to forget. Some workplaces do just seem to be like an extension of school dont they, Bullying at work is more common than it should be. Did you tell anyone about it? your superior or something? what actually happened? Sometimes writing it out helps to get things in perspective in your head I think.

[Bunnie]

Sometimes writing it out helps to get things in perspective in your head I think.
definately! it makes you look at the whole thing, rather than focussing on the same parts, and often can make you realise exactly what you need to do to resolve issues. I think thats why so many people stick around on here, and other forums, as writing things out can be a healing process of its own.

[Lifeless]

Basically, this new girl started and she had to shadow me to learn the ropes and everything. I got on well with her and apparently thats a big deal :impissed:. All night I just got a load of lewd comments even when she was stood there next to me. At first it was just annoying but then it dragged on for over a week and started to get to me.

There's no point telling the supervisor because he actually made a few comments himself. I could go to the higher ups but it hasn't happened before and it hasn't happened since so I'm more inclined to just leave it for the moment.

Thinking back it was all a bit stupid and maybe I over reacted but this isn't the first time a girl has become a target because of me. :impissed:

[lisalashe]

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[SuzyCreamcheese]

It isnt your fault if other people were behaving like morons but I think you probably know that. It must be really irritating though. Were the comments aimed at you or the girl?
What did she make of the situation?

[Lifeless]

Most were aimed at me but she got her fair share aswell. I'm not sure what she made of it. I don't think it bothered her as much as it bothered me but she did seem annoyed at one point.

I know it wasn't my fault but sometimes it feels like I attract this sort of thing.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

you think you consistently attract the wrong sort of attention?

Do you think maybe you just handle it differently to others because of your past experiences or do you think people do single you out for it sometimes?

[Lifeless]

Sometimes it does seem that way.

I can't really handle it very well. Well, I can handle mild teasing but if it drags on too long or just gets out of hand it just really depresses me and I just shut down.

I definitely get singled out although I do tend to isolate myself from other people. I find it hard to break that habit though.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

do you think the other people notice the effect they have on you?
Do you have anyone you can talk to about stuff like this in real life?, family maybe or a friend?

[Lifeless]

No.

And no. My friends aren't interested. They just make empty promises. And if my parents found out I was on meds I'd never hear the end of it. Sadly, I'm on my own with this.

[Lacy]

Although not exactly proud to admit it, i actually got done for bullying someone at one of my old jobs. It was the sort of behaviour that you mentioned above, ie i was teasing him a lot cos i thought it was funny, and i thought that he'd find it funny and know it was a joke. Apparently he didn't find it funny and it really upset him. I didn't realise until my boss took me to one side and mentioned it. So i stopped.

I'm the type of person that can take a lot. Teasing never bothers me, if it's meant as a joke that is. So i just assumed that everyone else was the same. If he hadn't mentioned it, i wouldn't have stopped and he would have carried on being miserable.

You have to tell people that it's bothering you if things like that happen again. They might be meaning it as a joke and not realising the effect they have on you, then again they might be evil cunts but you won't know until you try.

[anonymous03]

cheer up man, some people have it REALLY bad. uve just got a problem. i know some people who are 13-15 and dont have lives. theyre parents hate them and they hate everyone.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

cheer up man, some people have it REALLY bad. uve just got a problem. i know some people who are 13-15 and dont have lives. theyre parents hate them and they hate everyone.
its all relative. There will always be people worse off and better off than you.
That doesnt mean you should downplay other peoples problems because just because you might not think its too bad, doesnt mean it isnt extremely real for someone else.

When someone is depressed, telling them to "cheer up, its not as bad as my mate had it" is about as helpful as a kick in the teeth.

[marksamet]

Have you tried hypnosis? I had a friend in a very depressive situation and no drugs helped, only after multiple hypnosis sessions....

[Lifeless]

Hmm, I don't know. I don't personally believe in hypnosis.

I'm really starting to consider coming off the pills. I don't think they are working. At this point I feel like I did before I started taking them. Well, maybe a bit better than then. I'm not sure. :chin:

[dancin_k8i]

me 2, im afraid i dont have any advice just *HUGS* hope ur ok.x

[SuzyCreamcheese]

Hmm, I don't know. I don't personally believe in hypnosis.

I'm really starting to consider coming off the pills. I don't think they are working. At this point I feel like I did before I started taking them. Well, maybe a bit better than then. I'm not sure. :chin:
how long have you been on them? I think a lot of them take a while to have any effect.

[Lifeless]

Over three months. They did seem to work but now it feels like they've worn off. I was recomended to take them for six months, though.

The weird thing is I've skipped them over the last four days and I do feel better...

[SuzyCreamcheese]

well sometimes they do make people feel worse. Thats not unheard of, although its not the usual effect obviously.
Im glad youre starting to feel better. I hope it stays that way for you :)

[Lifeless]

Ugh. Had a good three or four days now I'm starting to feel down again... :(

[SuzyCreamcheese]

do you feel thats normal for you? A good few days, followed by a bad few days, followed by good few days again?
Is that how it usually goes?

[Lifeless]

Yeah, sort of. The time varies but usually I get brief periods of good days and then a few bads days. The bad days used to last longer than the good days but lately they seem to last about the same.

The time really varies though. Because sometimes I get stuck in a bad mood for weeks.

[SuzyCreamcheese]

it sounds like it really worries you in a way. Like you think maybe you should feel happy all the time? Is that right?
do you find that you cant properly appreciate the good times because youre worried about the lows you get afterwards.
Im not saying this is you, but some people are very consistent in their moods, and other people have highs and lows, such as you describe.
Obviously im not in your shoes so I dont know how it feels for you, and these bad times sound like theyre worrying you, and I know those feelings are very real.
Do you think it could possibly be just part of your personality and the way your body works, or do you feel this isnt really you, and you shouldnt be feeling like that?

[Sikorah]

Sometimes you dont realise the tablets are helping you.

[Lifeless]

I know I shouldn't think that I should be happy all the time but it doesn't take much to depress me. Things seem to effect me more than they should.

I get the same thought whenever I'm feeling good: "It won't last" and it never does.

I'm not sure if it is a part of my personality. I'm definately more sensitive than most and I do seem to think about things a bit too much. I'm not really sure to be honest.